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- From: Mark.Baker@mettav.exnet.com (Mark Baker)
- Date: 24 Jul 94 11:13:16
- Message-Id: <UUCP.775073468@mettav>
- Subject: Digest continued
- To: gem-list@world.std.com (gem-list@world.std.com)
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- Waldi:
- > I didn't mean the specs for the source files which are compiled by HCP.
- > I meant the specs for the format of the files read by the viewer (i.e.
- > *.HYP, *.REF). If those formats are not documented they cannot become
- > a standard. If they are documented, please let me know where to find
- > these docs.
-
- The specs for the .ref files are in reflink.hyp.
-
- Guillaume:
- > At this time I think that only english and german are supported under
- > ST-guide. I won't release a commercial software with an online help system
- > in english. We need to be able to translate every message of STguide in
- > every language.
-
- I am quite happy using the German version of ST-guide (english docs would have
- been useful though) However I would not want to distribute it with commercial
- software even though as a user I would be happy to get it.
-
- > This should be done for every software. On the falcon it's easy
- > to detect the language of the TOS but on older machines ???
-
- You need to look in the osheader IIRC. Not too difficult though. But a
- multilingual version would be much larger, I would prefer just different
- translated versions.
-
- > I also think that Stguide should be improved, when I see the help system on
- > Windows.
-
- It's not easy to write for. It does have some nice features though like support
- for different fonts and sizes. OTOH having different fonts like this means the
- user cannot choose a font as they can with ST-guide so if the one chosen by the
- author is too small, too large or too blocky to be usable on their system they
- are stuck with it
-
- Chris:
- > Go figure indeed. C++ programs are larger than C programs because the
- > _linkers_ being used were designed for C code. Instead of being
- > intelligent and linking in only the used members of a class (which is sort
- > of what they do for C if your library is designed properly), it links in
- > the whole class, which can be quite large.
-
- No, it's the class programmers fault. If they put each method in a separate
- file instead of all in one module then it would not create such large
- executables.
-
- > I'll bet it won't make a GEM NetHack smaller than about 750k or so...
- > (Not a fair test, since plain NetHack compiles to *at*least* 700-800k; I
- > think Warwick had to leave out several features in the GEM NetHack on
- > atari.archive... it's binary is over 800k if I remember correctly.)
-
- Over a meg. AFAICS the only features left out are things like the demons that
- hand you a scroll when you recieve any email - since it predates MiNTnet there
- is little point.
-
- > Which is exactly what I'd call the Pure C optimiser... GNU C's code may
- > be large, but it's VERY good. Personally, I have a hard drive, so I
- > could care less if my binaries are a bit larger.
-
- Yes, IME it optimises for speed very well but makes no attempt to cut down the
- size.
-
- > Uh-oh, now we'll get into the consistant-user-interface argument again...
- > :)
-
- Isn't that rather avant-garde, discussing something almost on topic? :)
-
- Manfred:
- >> they and where can I get one?
- >
- > Look at the end of these mail... ;-)
-
- Please do not include large uuencoded files in a public mailing list.
-
- David:
- > Rick, if we get you ST-Guide's access method (when it's an ACC) could you
- > make your ACC's interface fairly like it? I mean I've seen neither so
- > I've no idea whether the fundimentals of each are different, but I
- > wouldn't think so.
-
- They both support the Pure-C protocol AIUI. However the format of the hypertext
- files is different.
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